The Debate
Debate Review

A talk that I gave to the Sacarii Black Hebrew Israelite group on the Trinity (or try-unity) of God’s nature.


Based on the sixty-six books of the Scriptures I believe there is One God, who exists as three co-equal persons; namely the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


  1. One God: Deuteronomy 6:4, “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.”
  2. Three Persons: Matthew 28:19, “…the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”
  3. Co-Equal: See chart below from


  1. Whose Image Is Mankind Made In?: Genesis 1:26-27, “26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness… 27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.”
  2. Who is the Second YHWH?: Genesis 19:24, “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.”
  3. How Did Moses See God’s Face, When God Said No One Can See His Face?: Exodus 33:11, “And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.” & Exodus 33:20, “And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.”
  4. Who Did Isaiah See?: Isaiah 6:1, “In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple.” & John 12:41, “These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.”
  5. Who is Isaiah Talking About as the “Mighty God” and “Everlasting Father” that is Born as a Child?: Isaiah 9:6, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
  6. Who is David’s Lord?: Psalms 110:1, “The LORD says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” & Psalm 8:1, “O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!”
  7. Who is From Everlasting that Visited Bethlehem?: Micah 5:2, “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” & Matthew 2:6, “But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will shepherd my people Israel.’”
  8. Who is the Spirit that He is Included in Paul’s Prayer?: 2 Corinthians 13:14, “May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.”
  9. How Many Thrones Does the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit Have?: Revelation 22:1, “And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.” & Revelation 7:17, “For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”


  1. Creation: The Father speaking through the Son as the Spirit creates (Genesis 1:1-2, John 1:3, & Psalm 33:6).
  2. The Tabernacle/Temple: The Father speaking, the Spirit as the Presence from which the fire and cloud came, and the Son meeting with Moses/priests (Exodus 33:11,15,20).
  3. Jesus’ Baptism: The Father speaking, the Son in the water, and the Spirit descending (Matthew 3:16-17).
  4. Jesus’ Transfiguration: The Father speaking, the Son transforming, and the Spirit incoming in a cloud (Matthew 17:5).
  5. God’s Throne on Earth: The Father and the Son on a Throne the Spirit proceeding from them (Revelation 22:1).


A strong argument against believing Jesus created everything, other than Himself, is asking the person who is making this assertion, “Where did Jesus dwell if He wasn’t in the nature of God and was created before the heavens and the earth?”

Below is a graph demonstrating this problem. The solution is simple, Jesus is the Creator of all things like John 1:3 states. He has always been with God the Father in His nature. John 1:3, “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.”